Week 5 Read the Intro for the 16th Century http://www.wwnorton.com/college/english/nael/16century/welcome.htm
The Bible Translation by Tyndale http://www.wwnorton.com/college/english/nael/16century/topic_3/tyndale.htm
Queen Elizabeth: Bio http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizabio.htm
A poem http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/doubt.htm
Famous quotes http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizaquotes.htm
Edmund Spenser: The Faerie Queene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faerie_Queene
Spenser: illustrations and cool data: http://www.uwm.edu/Library/special/exhibits/clastext/clspg086.htm
Sir Thomas More: Utopia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(book)
Real Excerpt from Utopia: http://www.outlawsandhighwaymen.com/more.htm
Post your thoughts on Biblical English
Then teacher, here just comments and in the other blog we will answer the question?
ReplyDeleteAs always the catholic church, banning new discoveries, ideas or principles that they consider bad or against theirselves even killing people for that.
ReplyDeleteMore information that confirm the real face of the catholic church.
Talking about the translation of the bible, was quite of important because that was the first step to benefit the laypeople because since the translation of the bible, new knowledge or information were translated into other languages besides the latin
ReplyDeleteAnd... of course, that's when Joan of Norwich comes in...
ReplyDeletetalking about the catholic church for me was kind of awful when they try to tell people what to do..even they had their own principles or ideas about God they did not have the right to kill people...every body has their own thought so they can decide where to be. If I do not agree of something i can say it...Just God have the right to judge me. So I can be catholic I can be Protestant and nobody can tell me anything...That is what I think.
ReplyDeleteWhat interesting is to confirm about the struggle that Catholic church has manteined through the history with Protestants becuase both of them seem to have the reason.
ReplyDeleteThat's why Catholic church didn't accept the traslation version that William Tyndale did, maybe they were fearful to reveal something that was hidden or rather in secret.
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ReplyDeleteEven though I believe in the Catholic church 'coz I was bring up under that religion, I disagree with many things they've done, like the idea to consider itself as a unique and powerful religion.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nancy, they didn't have the right to kill people. Only imagine the way William Tyndale died. He was tried on a charge of heresy in 1536. Finally, he "was strangled to death while tied at the stake, and then his dead body was burned".
ReplyDeleteI was reading some extra information about those two guys: William Tyndale and John Wycliffe. Their stories were very similar. The only difference is that John Wycliffe died because of a heart attack. But the most stupid thing is that after 40 years of his death it was decreed that his books should be burned and his remains be exhumed. The exhumation was carried out in 1428 when, at the command of Pope Martin V, his remains were dug up, burned, and the ashes cast into the River Swift, which flows through Lutterworth.
With the english trnaslation of the bible, it wil provide a theological and literaty information to the people. It wont be anymore a book that only the ones that knewing latin could understand.
ReplyDeleteWhat a funny infortmation: the church believe that latin was the language of God.
I think that it was necessary to make an English translation of the Bible because it was a way to get out of darkness. Maybe laypeople wanted to lead people into a false doctrine.
ReplyDeleteBiblical English became a new way to spread the knowledge contained in the bible. It surprised me that the first translation of the bible into English was seemed so badly by the church. Well, people was not exactly being pulled into a "false doctrine" they were being pulled into a doctrine which only purpouse was to keep them blind, and unaware of the truth. Maybe the bible was not as sacred as many people believed.
ReplyDeleteI said, maybe in a "false doctrine" I didn't say it was true. They wanted to keep the world still in darkness, as Gerson said, the purpose was to keep them blind. That's what I think.
ReplyDeleteThe way how the Catholic Church acted was quite malevolent. It was unbelievable to know that they opposed totally to translate the Bible into English due to the fact that it resulted dangerous for them. Because if people read the Bible in their mother tongue, they would realize about the truth and the Catholic Church would be discovered. It was convenient for them that people remained in the darkness to go on satisfying their own needs, in a selfish way, and taking advantage of them. It is sad to know this kind of reality since the mission of the church is to announce the truth of God and not to deceive the followers.
ReplyDeleteI found interesting the fact that kings did not want the bible were translated into laypeople's mother tongue because it would provoke that laypeople raise against church and kings. Kings preferred that priests explain the bible in their own benefit to keep the authority over the other people. That sounds very political for me, not sacred or divine as it should be. People deserved the truth.
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ReplyDeleteCan someone explain me where is the other blog? The one for answering teacher's question. By the way, does somebody know the question? I need orientation, please.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting to see how brave people such as William Tyndale and John Wycliffe decided to translate the Bible into English in spite of all the adversities that were present at that time. To translate the Bible and read it in a language out the Latin was forbidden and people who disobeyed was burned at the stake. It was a very sensitive matter in that age. What I really admire is the courage of those men that fought against the adversities in order to achieve their purpose. They really wanted to make people free of the ignorance that they were living.
ReplyDeleteObviously, that is nothing new, that the church cosidered as a bad desition translate the bible into English, becaus they always want to have the power over the everything
ReplyDeleteTyndale decided to translate the bible into his people's mother tounge because he strongly believed that they needed to understand what they read in order to believe thereon.
ReplyDeleteI think he acted as a defender of human's free will rather than a rebel. He was sure that translating the two testaments was God's command for him even tough the priests said that his work was nothing but heresy.
As many of my classmates said the church didn´t want to translate the bible into English (or oother language) because the priests knew that they would lose the control that they had over people.
ReplyDeleteDaniel said something interesting "the church believed that atin was the language of God" but actually the bible was originaly wrtten in hebrew and then in greek after that, the church translated it into Latin. So, the Latin version of the bible was a translation too, not the "language of God."
ReplyDeleteWhy does "God" have to be Christian? Muslims don't read the bible... Jews don't acknowledge the Christian bible...
ReplyDeleteI prefer to bear on god as The Superior being because he does not belong any relgion, God is God and I say this even though I do not believe in any religion.
ReplyDeleteI think the argument about the Catholic bible and the Protestant bible is a waste of time, because both tried to subdue their parishioners
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ReplyDeletehey people I suggest you do not get angry if you read any comment posted here; remember you have to be open-minded, if you are not , you will be as people from the ancient chuch with inquisitor thoughts.
ReplyDeleteThe catholic church didnt want people reading the bible because it would "open" their eyes and they would see the bunch of lies priests, bishops, friars and so many other would tell them. That's why they martirizied people like William Tyndale, Jhon Hus and Jeronimo.
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ReplyDeleteI think as human beings we feel the need to have something or somebody greater than us, we like the idea of somebody watching over us, taking care of us. Each culture has its own religion. In my personal case I believe in God, other people from other cultures have their own deities and they are different form ours. Instead of arguing who's God and better than who's we should respect the opinions and beliefs of others.
ReplyDeleteI don't think God has to be christian, "God" will be what people want it to be, depending on the lies in which their religion is based.
ReplyDeleteOnce I read that God is a creation of men. And as Nancy wrote it is because we humans need the feeling of something ruling our lives, that a greater "being" is above us taking care of our existences.
God is not Christian. The term "Christian" appeared after Jesus Christ; Christans are people who believes in Jesus, but God is much more before Jesus. For that reason, Jews don't ackwnoledge the bible because for them, Jesus is not God's son
ReplyDeleteFor me, the most important are humans' acts instead of how they call God. If a person is honest, hardworker, loyal, doesn't kill, doesn't lie, etc. Why he/she would be wrong when he/she calls his/her God: Yaveh, Jehova, Alá, Buda,etc.?
A person can be atheist and live as a saint. Just becuase you do not name a God is not a reason to be condemned.
I think that is not really important if God is Christian: GOD IN HIS HEAVEN AND ALRIGHT WITH THE WORLD, what we must emphasize is how much he loves every person even if you don't share the same religion. That's another point.
ReplyDeleteAnd the fact that people don't read or ackwnoledge the bible is just another way of belief. Everything is ok unless you disturb the others'peace.
well... look at the initial threads, people were bashing the church!
ReplyDeleteReality is...God doesn't have to be Christian. Any religion has their own God.
ReplyDeleteI consider that God is not a Christian since he does not belong to any particular Church. He is with all people who obey him regardless of their religion. Unlike the Christian belief, Jews and Muslims do not read the Bible because they do not believe that it is the word given by God due to the fact that they see a Jesus Christ like a prophet and not the God´s son.
ReplyDeleteIn that time no matter what church you belong to catholic of protestant they had the power to rule your life and the best way to do it was through religion; I think that was the most patetic way to do it because nobody has the right to play with your faith. Faith is personal, if I believe in Scandinavian deities OK that´s my problem and nobody is able to force me to change my mind.
ReplyDeleteThe bible was made by men for enslaving other men
ReplyDeletethis biblic times where trully hard, bible was the only "law" that could be followed if you were not following that law you had to prepare to cease to exist.....
ReplyDeleteI don't know why this thing keeps adressing me as hiei109 I'm samuel ok
ReplyDeleteOk, going back to religios english it marks a revolution in the history of church, society, literature and other aspects of that time.
ReplyDeleteThe bible is the result of men's work, and men have always had their own interests. Therefore, the bible has been changing following men's political, social and other kind of interests from that time, and even before the translations started. The manipulation of the bible for personal benefit is nothing new, and nowadays continuous to happen.
ReplyDeleteAll the issues related with The Bible's translation has always been affected by men's interest in power. The same thing happened in the medieval age. The priests didn't want to lose the power given to the catholic church in that time.
ReplyDeleteWilliam Tyndale is another martyr who knowing what was going to happen, knowing the risks his job was going to bring him, he went ahead, being aware his life was in death danger. men like him are the real heroes of christianity, and all of us have to see forward, and thanks him just for being to first to show interest on let us read such a Holy story, I could never imagine Tyndale translating the bible to fight what he may be wanted was to free people because paraphrasing Christ is only the true that will free us.
ReplyDeletewell , this a very controvertial topic, catholic people in the sixteth were ruthless and maninipulated by the love of power, and some catholic people of the present can not accept mistakes of the past. For me is enought just to trust in god and follow what we think is good for us and for people around me, I do not need a religion to be a better person.
ReplyDeleteIn the past The catholic church didnt want people reading the bible because , people would notice the lies they've said. But is something similar what happen today,well now you can read the bible, but they (priest,bishops and the pope) tell you that you need the priest explanation , well is like they tell you, that you are not enought smart to understand what you are reading, maybe is not the same everywhere , but here in cojutepeque is like that. they always want to have you in their hands.
ReplyDeleteI don't think God have to be christian , God is God , and I think Follow God is the most important, it means that follow God means, no religion , people join for one soul God.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion at the bigining church was against to translate the bible into the mothers tongue because it knew that would lost power over the masses and it will inplicate an inevitable divission in beliefs. It was necessary due to the church in name of God had committed a lot of crimes. And if would have been William Tyndaly who beggan to translate the bible would be other, but the true had to know.
ReplyDeleteChrist didn't left religion he came with us to teach us how we have to be one with others but if we want to complicate the life for that are the religions with too many rules that people have to follow.
ReplyDeleteThe bibble is a very powerful instrument that in wrong hands it cause many injuries like wars, trick and abuse of power. That is the reason why the catholic church wanted the people could read the bible because all the lies that they said it would be down.
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