I found that "Joan" of Norwich is not her real name; actually, there is no data about her real name. She was called Joan by Margery Kempe.
Joan of Norwich was the first woman who wrote a book in English. The book is called "sixteen revelations of divine love" and the book is about her visions (the curious for me is that her visions started when she got ill; that could be considered as craziness too.) All her revelations were related to God; but the curious here is that she referred to God as "she" instead oh "he." she become an anchoress after having the visions; and she spent the rest of her life alone in meditation with God.
Joan's of Norwich texts are still studied by Christian theologians because of thier controversial points. In fact, all her life was controversial because she was the first woman who write about religion with a more theologically centered analisys.
She was a great woman. For Julian, suffering was not a punishment that God inflicted, but a way to invite us to look for him. . She believed that God loved and wanted to save everyone. I really like the way she thought.
hey teacher I found that her name was Julian of Norwich, she was born in 1343but it is not clear where was her place of birth may have been in the East Riding of Yorkshire between Beberley and the sea.
Julian was probably a benedictine nun. She wrote sixteen revelatios called "revelations of love." She probably had the first revelation when she was 30 years old.
Hey I found that. At a time in which the sufferings and despair were common, “Julian of Norwich” who was known as “Joan of Norwich”. With the aid of visions and writings, she helped the needy in practice love according to the commands of Christ. With the idea that all things here on earth, have to be right. To “Julian of Norwich” trust and vision were thank God, based on the wisdom.
I did not know that she lived as a recluse, an anchoress ( hermite) with a female servant. Also, her cell was attached to the church wall of Saint Julian in Conisford at Norwich. She took the saint´s name for her own. Evidence of her living as late as 1416 comes from the wills of money made to the anchoress of Saint´s Julian Church. For instance, a priest gives a shilling to "Juliane anchorite apud St. Juliane in Norwice".
Well, concerning Juliana of Norwich there is not a lot of information about her life. It is said that when she was 30 years she almost died due to a terrible illness. During that period of suffering she received sixteen revelations that were given by God. In the book written by her, she talked about those revelations and of God´s love as well.
I couldn´t find her real name, what I found is thar she received the name of Julian because that was the name of the cell where she was living (the parish church of Sn. Julian in Norwich). She wrote her "revelations" in a period of time when two popes were claiming authority, the Black death apeared many times and the priests were teaching that all was happening because God was angry and he was punishing the humanity. I think Julian thought that writing the "revelations of love" people would have an antidote to all that pain.
Julian and Joan are the same person. In the colection of books called "la vida de los santos de butler," is the information about Joan of Norwich. It's a series of 4 books about Saint's biographies. I'm not pretty sure if the books are available in the net.
Other interest thing that I found is that scholars believe that she received a good education during the time she wrote the manuscrips because she show influence of theology and Neoplatonoc philosophy. In her manuscripts she compares Jesus with an merciful and wise mother.what´s more she used many femenine and masculine terms when she talk about God.
In 1373 Julian experienced 16 visions in rapid succesion. believe it or not these lasted around 12 hours. 20 years later she had the inspiration to understand what she saw in those visions. there are 2 versions of the revelations: The first one it is a text with her original experience and remains in a single manuscript. the second one, represents her thoughts about her visions, illuminated after prayer and meditation.
My classmates almost copy and paste everything about her, then, I just can add this: That she was kind of counselor, she gave advises to the people, even after Julian died people found help or counsel in her writings. We that information, I can say, that people consider her as a referent of help and her textes have the same effect. A woman that will be remember by the people.
Her ideas about God, caused kind of revolution because, in that time people just to had a different idea of God. She said that God loved and wanted to save everyone, that was totally the opposite ideas that people had.
Joan decided to express her belief even when there existed lots of problems in the medieval church, people were suffering the Bubonic plague and there was a war between France and England. She wanted to give people a different version of the religious message, using a feminist vision of God.
I would to add this other information that says. Julian's initial visions and development affecting them later in life almost seem to follow a pattern of Scholastic rudimentary from the faith and acceptance of the sovereignty of God (in his case, through divine revelation ) and from there move to a deeper understanding of God through writing, reflection and commentary. At the same time, however, she does not follow the rigid and stereotyped pattern of Thomas Aquinas-and, perhaps mysticism presents a counterpoint and balance to a prevailing theological approach that can often seem separate and distant from God.
this means that Julian in his writings expressed that with the grace of God she was able to do everything for people who suffered in those days.
Actualy, I did not know anything about her, i even confused her name with Joan of Arc(who ovbiously has nothing to do with julian of Norwich) therefore, by reading the information the others have posted, it is surprising how julian came to think in a complete different way from the trends of her time, even though i believe those visions were produced by her illness, but she was illuminated by those visions to write her texts, it's trully weird...
As one of my classmate said everything about her life is written. Sixteen Revelations of Divine Love was the first published book in English language by a woman. Something particular interesting it's the fact that she was that kind of person who suffered in silence and with patience. Even, whit her illness she never refused the God's love. Whereas the Latin was the language in her days she wrote in Middle English. Furthermore, she loved the nature and she believed that behind the reality of hell it's a mystery of god's love, something like a new beginning for us.
Joan of Norwich or Julian of Norwich was a benedictine nun who born 1342, and died after 1416, according to what I've read. As classmates wrote she wrote XVI Revelations of Divine Love, and these revelations were written from the cell she lived. At 14 century she saw the death and sickness left by Bubonic plague in England,
"Christ] Our natural mother, our gracious mother, because he willed to become our mother in everything... Our high God, the sovereign wisdom of all, arrayed himself in this low place and made himself entirely ready in our poor flesh in order to do the service and the office of motherhood himself in all things" I've taken this paragraph from Julian's work "God our Mother", she simply put into words the female face of God, Showing her unconditional love, her Mother love for us.
The remarkable fact here is the one mentioned in the introduction to the sixteenth century. It states: “Literary works in sixteenth-century England were rarely if ever created in isolation from other currents in the social and cultural world.” Now, let us see what happened to Julian of Norwich, she may have wrote her book isolated from the influence of society and the current culture at that time, however Julian is seem to have had influence from other writers like Walter Hilton and the anonymous author of the book “Cloud of Unknowing” such influence might have lead to future changes in Julian’s book and perhaps to a uncertain enrichment. Furthermore, Julian belonged to the fourteen century, a time of war and despair, these issues plus the unstoppable Black Death. That was her reality, something she could not avoid, and possibly that reality took part in what she wrote.
There existed a writing community in the fourteenth century (The Celi Dei, the friends of God) from which Walter Hilton was part, and the work of different writers who were part of such community “may have been translated” for Julian according to the text, and also the members of this community wrote and translate their texts for the others.
The introduction to the sixteenth century stated this: “It is significant that Marlowe's great play was written at a time in which the possibility of sorcery was not merely a theatrical fantasy but a widely shared fear, a fear upon which the state could act — as the case of Doctor Fian vividly shows — with horrendous ferocity.” Supposedly, there was an event in the fourteenth century that triggered people’s consciousness on witchcraft, and the templars were involved in this matter as a religious way to dismiss the issue. And it seems that the harmful view of witchcraft from the fourteenth century stayed up to the sixteenth century, with the exception that sorcery was not seem so badly.
I found that she was an example to follow. She was one of the greatest English mystics, not only because she wrote the first book in English but also because she was an anchoress, and even her illness she could overcame it and she could write about her visions. In all her book she wrote about divine love and how God loved and wanted to save everyone.When the popular theology thought that God was punishing the wicked. Julian suggested a far more merciful theology in which some people says that she put salvation for everybody as universal.
julian of Norwich was a mediaval woman , who was a benedictiane nun , who wrote revelations of Divine love in which she received sixteen different mystical revelations , focuses on mysteries of christeanity. It is really interesting that she wrote all that when she was sick , according to what I've read, she was in a cell in her deathbeb when all that was reveled to her .
do you know that for right now there is a order call "The order of Julian of Norwich" which is a monastic order of monks and nuns of the Episcopal church.which means her name will be alive for some years more. She was one of the great, as a writer and as a nun.
I only found information under the name of Julian of Norwich.She was a very religious woman. At some point in her life she suffered from a serious illness that almost killed her. During her illness she received some messages from God that inspired her literary works. The most famous and important work was "sixteen revelations of Divine Love"
Another important information about the work or the theology that julian proposed is the way that she percieve or dlecare the holy trinity, in a very feminist way. That caused a revolution in the whole society and principaly in the chatolic church, because they believe that the head of their religion, the society, the family and other aspects are men and not women. A clear example of the machism during the history of humanity. Even nowadays consider women as head of something cause revolution and disagreement, you can figure it out the effects during medieval ages. Or not?
she's still unknown and that's something weird, also it's incredible that while she was kept in such a lonely place she had the inspiration and streght to write. "sign samuel"
"...all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well". this is one of the most famous sayings of Julian of Norwich a nun that live in like a hermit after a terrible illness that almost takes her life. During that illness she received sexteen a revelation in a few hours but she wrote about it twenty years later, when she finally could undertand the meaning of those revelations that are called "the revelatios of divine love". Julian is one of the greatest English Mistics. although she is criticized by many scholars for her writes about the Trinity in a femenine way. There is no a cnsistent date of her death but her writes are famous because she gave and still is giving hope to the one that nees it.
Julian of Norwich's texts received negative critics because of the underestimation of women's capability of expressing worthy contributions to society in that age. It seems to me that Julian of Norwich did not agree with the translation of the Bible due to the use of masculine pronouns to refer to God. And it is important to remark her brabery to act against the system and church.
Well at the bigining i didn't know anything about joan of Norwich's but then I researched and I found interesting her life, how a woman decided left outside her own life to devote to the god things in middle of too many injustices and illnesses.It is interesting to know that she decided wrote her revelation in the middle English and not in the chuch language that was the latin.
I found that "Joan" of Norwich is not her real name; actually, there is no data about her real name. She was called Joan by Margery Kempe.
ReplyDeleteJoan of Norwich was the first woman who wrote a book in English. The book is called "sixteen revelations of divine love" and the book is about her visions (the curious for me is that her visions started when she got ill; that could be considered as craziness too.) All her revelations were related to God; but the curious here is that she referred to God as "she" instead oh "he."
she become an anchoress after having the visions; and she spent the rest of her life alone in meditation with God.
Joan's of Norwich texts are still studied by Christian theologians because of thier controversial points. In fact, all her life was controversial because she was the first woman who write about religion with a more theologically centered analisys.
ReplyDeleteShe was a great woman. For Julian, suffering was not a punishment that God inflicted, but a way to invite us to look for him. . She believed that God loved and wanted to save everyone. I really like the way she thought.
ReplyDeletehey teacher I found that her name was Julian of Norwich, she was born in 1343but it is not clear where was her place of birth may have been in the East Riding of Yorkshire between Beberley and the sea.
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ReplyDeleteJulian was probably a benedictine nun. She wrote sixteen revelatios called "revelations of love." She probably had the first revelation when she was 30 years old.
ReplyDeleteHey I found that. At a time in which the sufferings and despair were common, “Julian of Norwich” who was known as “Joan of Norwich”. With the aid of visions and writings, she helped the needy in practice love according to the commands of Christ. With the idea that all things here on earth, have to be right. To “Julian of Norwich” trust and vision were thank God, based on the wisdom.
ReplyDeleteI did not know that she lived as a recluse, an anchoress ( hermite) with a female servant. Also, her cell was attached to the church wall of Saint Julian in Conisford at Norwich. She took the saint´s name for her own. Evidence of her living as late as 1416 comes from the wills of money made to the anchoress of Saint´s Julian Church. For instance, a priest gives a shilling to "Juliane anchorite apud St. Juliane in Norwice".
ReplyDeleteWell, concerning Juliana of Norwich there is not a lot of information about her life. It is said that when she was 30 years she almost died due to a terrible illness. During that period of suffering she received sixteen revelations that were given by God. In the book written by her, she talked about those revelations and of God´s love as well.
ReplyDeleteI couldn´t find her real name, what I found is thar she received the name of Julian because that was the name of the cell where she was living (the parish church of Sn. Julian in Norwich). She wrote her "revelations" in a period of time when two popes were claiming authority, the Black death apeared many times and the priests were teaching that all was happening because God was angry and he was punishing the humanity. I think Julian thought that writing the "revelations of love" people would have an antidote to all that pain.
ReplyDeleteJulian and Joan are the same person. In the colection of books called "la vida de los santos de butler," is the information about Joan of Norwich. It's a series of 4 books about Saint's biographies. I'm not pretty sure if the books are available in the net.
ReplyDeleteOther interest thing that I found is that scholars believe that she received a good education during the time she wrote the manuscrips because she show influence of theology and Neoplatonoc philosophy.
ReplyDeleteIn her manuscripts she compares Jesus with an merciful and wise mother.what´s more she used many femenine and masculine terms when she talk about God.
In 1373 Julian experienced 16 visions in rapid succesion. believe it or not these lasted around 12 hours. 20 years later she had the inspiration to understand what she saw in those visions. there are 2 versions of the revelations: The first one it is a text with her original experience and remains in a single manuscript. the second one, represents her thoughts about her visions, illuminated after prayer and meditation.
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ReplyDeleteMy classmates almost copy and paste everything about her, then, I just can add this:
ReplyDeleteThat she was kind of counselor, she gave advises to the people, even after Julian died people found help or counsel in her writings.
We that information, I can say, that people consider her as a referent of help and her textes have the same effect.
A woman that will be remember by the people.
Her ideas about God, caused kind of revolution because, in that time people just to had a different idea of God.
ReplyDeleteShe said that God loved and wanted to save everyone, that was totally the opposite ideas that people had.
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ReplyDeleteJoan decided to express her belief even when there existed lots of problems in the medieval church, people were suffering the Bubonic plague and there was a war between France and England. She wanted to give people a different version of the religious message, using a feminist vision of God.
ReplyDeleteI would to add this other information that says. Julian's initial visions and development affecting them later in life almost seem to follow a pattern of Scholastic rudimentary from the faith and acceptance of the sovereignty of God (in his case, through divine revelation ) and from there move to a deeper understanding of God through writing, reflection and commentary. At the same time, however, she does not follow the rigid and stereotyped pattern of Thomas Aquinas-and, perhaps mysticism presents a counterpoint and balance to a prevailing theological approach that can often seem separate and distant from God.
ReplyDeletethis means that Julian in his writings expressed that with the grace of God she was able to do everything for people who suffered in those days.
Actualy, I did not know anything about her, i even confused her name with Joan of Arc(who ovbiously has nothing to do with julian of Norwich) therefore, by reading the information the others have posted, it is surprising how julian came to think in a complete different way from the trends of her time, even though i believe those visions were produced by her illness, but she was illuminated by those visions to write her texts, it's trully weird...
ReplyDeleteby the way, the cell looks really creepy... perhaps due to its age.
ReplyDeleteAs one of my classmate said everything about her life is written. Sixteen Revelations of Divine Love was the first published book in English language by a woman.
ReplyDeleteSomething particular interesting it's the fact that she was that kind of person who suffered in silence and with patience. Even, whit her illness she never refused the God's love. Whereas the Latin was the language in her days she wrote in Middle English.
Furthermore, she loved the nature and she believed that behind the reality of hell it's a mystery of god's love, something like a new beginning for us.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteJoan of Norwich or Julian of Norwich was a benedictine nun who born 1342, and died after 1416, according to what I've read. As classmates wrote she wrote XVI Revelations of Divine Love, and these revelations were written from the cell she lived. At 14 century she saw the death and sickness left by Bubonic plague in England,
ReplyDelete"Christ] Our natural mother, our gracious mother, because he willed to become our mother in everything... Our high God, the sovereign wisdom of all, arrayed himself in this low place and made himself entirely ready in our poor flesh in order to do the service and the office of motherhood himself in all things" I've taken this paragraph from Julian's work "God our Mother", she simply put into words the female face of God, Showing her unconditional love, her Mother love for us.
ReplyDeleteThe remarkable fact here is the one mentioned in the introduction to the sixteenth century. It states: “Literary works in sixteenth-century England were rarely if ever created in isolation from other currents in the social and cultural world.” Now, let us see what happened to Julian of Norwich, she may have wrote her book isolated from the influence of society and the current culture at that time, however Julian is seem to have had influence from other writers like Walter Hilton and the anonymous author of the book “Cloud of Unknowing” such influence might have lead to future changes in Julian’s book and perhaps to a uncertain enrichment. Furthermore, Julian belonged to the fourteen century, a time of war and despair, these issues plus the unstoppable Black Death. That was her reality, something she could not avoid, and possibly that reality took part in what she wrote.
ReplyDeleteThere existed a writing community in the fourteenth century (The Celi Dei, the friends of God) from which Walter Hilton was part, and the work of different writers who were part of such community “may have been translated” for Julian according to the text, and also the members of this community wrote and translate their texts for the others.
ReplyDeleteThe introduction to the sixteenth century stated this: “It is significant that Marlowe's great play was written at a time in which the possibility of sorcery was not merely a theatrical fantasy but a widely shared fear, a fear upon which the state could act — as the case of Doctor Fian vividly shows — with horrendous ferocity.” Supposedly, there was an event in the fourteenth century that triggered people’s consciousness on witchcraft, and the templars were involved in this matter as a religious way to dismiss the issue. And it seems that the harmful view of witchcraft from the fourteenth century stayed up to the sixteenth century, with the exception that sorcery was not seem so badly.
I found this site with some information about the fourteenth century, it might help you to understand julian's background.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/WestTech/x14thc.htm
I found that she was an example to follow. She was one of the greatest English mystics, not only because she wrote the first book in English but also because she was an anchoress, and even her illness she could overcame it and she could write about her visions. In all her book she wrote about divine love and how God loved and wanted to save everyone.When the popular theology thought that God was punishing the wicked. Julian suggested a far more merciful theology in which some people says that she put salvation for everybody as universal.
ReplyDeletejulian of Norwich was a mediaval woman , who was a benedictiane nun , who wrote revelations of Divine love in which she received sixteen different mystical revelations , focuses on mysteries of christeanity. It is really interesting that she wrote all that when she was sick , according to what I've read, she was in a cell in her deathbeb when all that was reveled to her .
ReplyDeletedo you know that for right now there is a order call "The order of Julian of Norwich" which is a monastic order of monks and nuns of the Episcopal church.which means her name will be alive for some years more. She was one of the great, as a writer and as a nun.
ReplyDeleteI only found information under the name of Julian of Norwich.She was a very religious woman. At some point in her life she suffered from a serious illness that almost killed her. During her illness she received some messages from God that inspired her literary works. The most famous and important work was "sixteen revelations of Divine Love"
ReplyDeleteDont worry Nancy, the name was a trick in order to investigate and found the correct information.
ReplyDeleteAnother important information about the work or the theology that julian proposed is the way that she percieve or dlecare the holy trinity, in a very feminist way. That caused a revolution in the whole society and principaly in the chatolic church, because they believe that the head of their religion, the society, the family and other aspects are men and not women. A clear example of the machism during the history of humanity.
ReplyDeleteEven nowadays consider women as head of something cause revolution and disagreement, you can figure it out the effects during medieval ages.
Or not?
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she's still unknown and that's something weird, also it's incredible that while she was kept in such a lonely place she had the inspiration and streght to write. "sign samuel"
ReplyDelete"...all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well". this is one of the most famous sayings of Julian of Norwich a nun that live in like a hermit after a terrible illness that almost takes her life. During that illness she received sexteen a revelation in a few hours but she wrote about it twenty years later, when she finally could undertand the meaning of those revelations that are called "the revelatios of divine love".
ReplyDeleteJulian is one of the greatest English Mistics. although she is criticized by many scholars for her writes about the Trinity in a femenine way.
There is no a cnsistent date of her death but her writes are famous because she gave and still is giving hope to the one that nees it.
Julian of Norwich's texts received negative critics because of the underestimation of women's capability of expressing worthy contributions to society in that age.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that Julian of Norwich did not agree with the translation of the Bible due to the use of masculine pronouns to refer to God. And it is important to remark her brabery to act against the system and church.
Well at the bigining i didn't know anything about joan of Norwich's but then I researched and I found interesting her life, how a woman decided left outside her own life to devote to the god things in middle of too many injustices and illnesses.It is interesting to know that she decided wrote her revelation in the middle English and not in the chuch language that was the latin.
ReplyDelete